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(Update 9/17): PXG Founder Sues TaylorMade for Patent Infringement
Update 9/17 at 5 p.m.
On Friday, Judge John J. Tuchi denied PXG’s request for a TRO (temporary restraining order) against TaylorMade P-790 irons. A TaylorMade representative released the following statement on behalf of the company:
“While TaylorMade respects the intellectual property rights of others, we will always defend ourselves vigorously when someone falsely accuses us of infringement. Our victory in court today re-affirms our confidence in our products and technologies, and reinforces the excitement and momentum we are experiencing with our P790 irons to date.
“P790 is a TaylorMade owned, game-changing product that delivers superior performance benefits to golfers through its key innovations. When you have an iron like P790 that also has Tour player adoption and golfers of all skill levels testing, experiencing distance gains and placing orders, others have no choice but to attempt to slow down our momentum. We fully anticipate a strong reception at retail this weekend and are already increasing our forecast to accommodate greater than anticipated demand.”
A hearing on PXG’s appeal for a preliminary injunction against TaylorMade is set for November 14.
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PXG Founder Bob Parsons said in a Tweet that he’s sued TaylorMade for patent infringement related to its new P-790 irons.
Taylormade Golf’s new P790 irons infringe upon many PXG patents. Sued them in Federal court today!
— Bob Parsons (@DrBobParsons) September 12, 2017
TaylorMade’s P-790 irons are due in stores on September 15 in the U.S. They use a hollow construction that’s filled with a material TaylorMade calls “SpeedFoam.” It supports the thin, forged clubs faces used in the irons the help improve distance and accuracy. The material also helps quiet vibrations to improve the sound and feel of the irons.
Tech Story: Learn more about TaylorMade’s P-790 irons
PXG’s 0311 iron series also uses a hollow-body construction. The forged club heads are filled with a TPE (thermoplastic elastomer) material that serves the same purpose as TaylorMade’s SpeedFoam.
To get a handle on the lawsuit, we spoke to Rob Van Arnam and Mike Sajovec, two patent attorneys from the law firm Williams Mullen. They explained that, in sum, PXG is claiming that its design for a better-performing iron is accomplished by the clubs having an expanded sweet spot, an ultra-thin club face, and an elastic material injected into the hollow-bodied club head. The claims of PXG’s patents are generally alleged to cover any golf club that includes a hollow portion filled with an elastomeric polymer, a first weight portion at a “top-and-toe transition region”, and a second weight portion located below a horizontal midplane of the golf club head with the first weight portion having a mass less than the second portion.
Thus, in layman’s terms, the patents attempt to cover the PXG club head with a polymer/rubber insert with the four weights near the toe and the seven weights on the back face of the club head closer to the sole of the club head. The eight patents asserted by PXG are related and are part of PXG’s portfolio of patents.
Related: What makes PXG irons and wedges so different?
We also asked them why they thought this case was filed.
“It is not surprising that PXG filed suit to protect its technology and PXG irons, as they appear to be the lifeblood of Bob Parson’s company,” Van Arnam said. “PXG will likely portray itself as an innovator and that TaylorMade is merely trading off PXG’s technology and success.”
We asked about the defenses TaylorMade will raise.
“TaylorMade will likely counter that golf club heads for years have had hollow cavities with polymers or foams and have come with weights,” Sajovec said. “Thus, nothing that PXG is doing is new; it only looks better. TaylorMade will also focus on the different design of its weights, while PXG will allege that because TaylorMade utilizes two sets of weight, those weights are equivalent to the weights in the PXG patents claims. TaylorMade will counter that although PXG patents may be valid, the claims do not cover the TaylorMade design, particularly the placement of the weights.”
So what will happen first, how will the case proceed, and how long will it last?
“PXG has already asked for a TRO (temporary restraining order) and a preliminary injunction to stop TaylorMade from making and selling its P-790 clubs while the case is pending,” Van Arnam said. “So there will be an intense few months to decide that motion. Because of the extraordinary relief injunctions offer, that may be an uphill battle. At the same time, we would expect TaylorMade will seek to stay the case and to challenge it with an Inter Partes Review (IPR) proceeding in the patent office, seeking a reexamination and invalidation of the patents.”
Sajovec added that IPRs are a common litigation challenge in patent cases and that “a quick look at the prosecution history of several of the PXG patents gives the impression that the patent examiner may not have fully appreciated the prior art cited during prosecution.”
“As a result of those actions and barring any early resolution, the case could last for 2-3 years or more,” Van Arnam said.
Driver: TaylorMade Qi4D LS (8 degrees)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus TR Blue 6 X
3-wood: TaylorMade Qi10 (15 degrees)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 9 TX
Irons: TaylorMade P770 (3), TaylorMade P7CB (4), TaylorMade P7TW (5-PW)
Shafts: Fujikura Ventus Black HB 10 X, True Temper Dynamic Gold X100
Wedges: TaylorMade Prototype (50-SB09), TaylorMade MG5 (56-HB12, 60-LV07)
Shafts: True Temper Dynamic Gold S400
Putter: TaylorMade TP Juno
Ball: Titleist Pro V1x
Grips: Golf Pride Tour Velvet Cord
Check out more in-hand photos of Christiaan Maas’ clubs here.
TaylorMade Golf’s MySpider program underwent a substantial overhaul over the last month. Firstly, the company launched the option to customize the Spider ZT model, and now the program has returned with the MySpider Tour and MySpider Tour X.
The revamped page now gives golfers complete control over every visual and functional detail of their putter on the popular Tour and Tour X head, with every cosmetic idea thought of. In MySpider Tour, golfers can choose from four head finishes, 16 paint fill colors, nine Surlyn face insert colors, three aluminum insert options, six sightline configurations, and four hosel options — L-neck, small slant, double bend, center shaft. Six sightline options are available in MySpider Tour, including the optically engineered True Path alignment system. MySpider Tour X gives builders the option of four head finishes, four hosel configurations, and five sightline options, also including True Path alignment.
One of the more interesting features of the new MySpider program is the availability of three distinct face insert options. Along with the usual Surlyn Pure Roll insert trusted by Scottie Scheffler and Rory McIlroy, which can be customized from nine colors, golfers can now also select firmer options. Two are offered with the black aluminum Pure Roll insert, slightly firmer than the traditional insert, or for the firmest feel, golfers can choose from two colors of milled aluminum inserts.
Another fun addition to the MySpider Tour is the ability to use the “Tommy Sightline.” The custom alignment aid design, which was first drawn onto Tommy Fleetwood’s putter by PGA Tour Rep James Holley, is based on the milled sightline on his Spider ZT head. There are five shorter lines on the left and right of a longer central line serving as the traditional short line alignment aid.
See below for the full specifications sheet for MySpider Tour and Tour X:
MySpider Tour
MySpider Tour X
Equipment
Then and now: Comparing Rory McIlroy’s current setup to his record-breaking 2019 Canadian Open victory
In Rory McIlroy’s first appearance at the 2019 RBC Canadian Open, he crushed the record books to earn his 16th PGA Tour title in dominating fashion, winning by seven shots over Shane Lowry and Webb Simpson.
McIlroy’s score of 22-under-par 258 is the lowest 72-hole score to date at the Canadian Open, and his closing 61 is also the best final-round score in the history of one of golf’s oldest tournaments. Finally, with his win in 2019, McIlroy became only the sixth player to win the career Triple Crown, adding to his victories at the U.S. Open in 2011 and The Open Championship in 2014, joining Tommy Armour, Walter Hagen, Arnold Palmer, Lee Trevino and Tiger Woods in a coveted list.
So, with that, why not compare his current setup to the clubs he used to break all the records?
Driver
2019: TaylorMade M5 (9 degrees), Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei CK Pro White 70 TX
2026: TaylorMade Qi4D (9 degrees @8), Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 7X (45 5/8 inches)
McIroy led the Tour in Strokes Gained: Off-the-Tee in 2019; he’s doing the same in 2026. Between now and then, McIlroy has switched from the Mitsubishi Tensei CK Pro White 70 TX (a shaft with slightly more feeling in the tip) to the original Fujikura Ventus Black 7X, having just made the change to the heavier version from playing the 60X.
What’s interesting about McIlroy’s 2019 setup is that the weighting on his driver is actually set in the high-draw setting, using the T-Track weighting system, whereas in the Qi4D, he’s currently using a heavily rear-weighted setup. (Two 13-gram weights in the rear and only two 4-gram front weights.)
The TaylorMade M5 driver he played in during his Canadian Open win was the company’s first head that they claimed to design to initially exceed the USGA’s COR limit, and then injected with tuning resin to bring it back in bounds.
Fairway woods
2019: TaylorMade M6 3-wood (15 degrees), Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei CK Pro White 80 TX; TaylorMade M5 5-wood (19 degrees), Shaft: Mitsubishi Tensei CK Pro White 90 TX
2026: TaylorMade Qi4D 3-wood (15 degrees), Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 8X; TaylorMade Qi4D 5-wood (18 degrees), Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 9X
The TaylorMade M6 fairway wood that McIlroy was using during the 2019 season is still in the bag of some of the best golfers on Tour in 2026. Just check out Justin Rose’s winning setup from the Farmers Insurance Open earlier this year. This year, though, McIlroy has still been searching for his top-end-of-the-bag setup, having played both the new Qi4D and the Qi10, which he won the Masters with.
The same shaft swap can be seen in the fairway woods as the driver, along with slightly less loft on the 5-wood.
Irons
2019: TaylorMade P750 (4) Buy here, TaylorMade P730 (5-9), Shafts: Project X 7.0
2026: TaylorMade P760 (4), TaylorMade Rors Proto (5-9), Shafts: Project X 7.0
The biggest difference between McIlroy’s custom set and the stock P730s is the groove design. While the P730s were constructed with 14 MX-9 grooves on their milled faces, McIlroy’s proto heads instead use the higher-spinning, 16-groove layout of the TW2 grooves. Other big differences between the sets are that McIlroy’s 7- and 8-irons have thinner toplines, are 1 degree stronger in loft, and are 1/4 inch longer than the original P730 builds.
With McIlroy’s 4-iron, the switch from P750 to P760 sees a transition to a two-piece construction with Speed Foam in it, which allows McIlroy to launch the ball slightly higher, with more workability.
Wedges
2019: TaylorMade Milled Grind (48-09SB), TaylorMade MG Hi-Toe (52-09SB, 56-09SB, 60-LB09), Shafts: Project X Rifle 6.5
2026: TaylorMade MG5 (46-09SB, 50-09SB, 54-11SB, 60-08LB @61), Shafts: Project X 6.5 (46-54), Project X 6.5 Wedge (60)
Between 2019 and 2026, McIlroy’s focus on his short game has been much more apparent. It was the reason why he switched back to the TP5 golf ball, to help with launch, spin and control with his wedges leading up to his career Grand Slam victory in 2025. The most apparent changes to McIlroy’s wedge setup are his lofts and bounce. He’s slowly delofted his pitching to a sand wedge, but has increased the loft on the lob wedge, bending his current 60-degree to 61. With that, adding more loft to his lob wedge also slightly increases the bounce and leading-edge sit point, so, as a result, he plays a lower-bounce lob wedge compared to 2019. The MG5 wedges are also softer than the first Milled Grind option from 2019. McIlroy also no longer plays the full-face grooves found on the Hi-Toe.
Putter
2019: TaylorMade Spider X
2026: TaylorMade Spider Tour X
Notice anything similar. Yes, the copper finish on Rory McIlroy’s Spider X putter in 2019 is a slightly more reflective finish than the recently released torched PVD finish. McIlroy was using the True Path alignment system, but now uses only a single white sightline.
Ball
2019: 2019 TaylorMade TP5 (#22)
2026: 2025 TaylorMade TP5 (RORS)
As mentioned above, McIlroy had transitioned from the TP5 to TP5x golf ball since his victory in Canada in 2019, but now is black with the same style of golf ball as his victory at Hamilton Golf & Country Club.
Grips
2019: Golf Pride Tour Velvet Cord
2026: Golf Pride MCC
Interesting, McIlroy actually used Golf Pride’s Tour Velvet Cord grips during his victory in 2019 (it was during a 2+ year switch to the corded TV) as opposed to his usual MCC grips, which he has played for most of his career.
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SK
Nov 5, 2017 at 11:19 pm
These things are not golf clubs; they are just expensive toys for wannabes and gearheads who have more money than brains or ability.
It’s such a scam but as Harvey Penick said on page 74 of his Little Red Book “Golfers are gullible.”.
This fraudulent ‘over-engineering’ of golf club heads is comical and pathetic for the intended use. It’s a marketing scam and gullible golfers are taken for a futile ride.
Jerry
Nov 5, 2017 at 12:41 pm
The reality is that TM did copy PXG.
Question is whether it’s a legal copying.
Todd
Sep 21, 2017 at 11:55 pm
PXGs Tag Line: NOBODY MAKES GOLF CLUBS THE WAY WE DO. PERIOD. Well apparently someone does for a lot less money, and they did it along time before PXG was around. Kinda takes the air outta their exaggerated clubs.
TMAG...how many irons on their site at this moment?
Sep 21, 2017 at 10:59 pm
No offense to TMAG, but why not come out with something better? I don’t know how close they are or specifics of patent PXG holds on their iron head design, but it does seem like a complete “we will make a set just like theirs; just half the price” and will be on sale rack half that price 3 months later.
Engineer Bob
Sep 17, 2017 at 2:30 am
TM P-790 and PXG 0311 fake forged scam exposed on GolfWRX!
Only the thin face plate is nominally ‘forged’ while the rest of the club body is cast SS.
The two pieces are welded together to form the hollow cavity filled with foam or gel.
They’re like 90% cast steel body and 10% forged plate. Wotta scam and the gearheads just lap it up without complaining.
Craig
Sep 17, 2017 at 2:41 am
It is well known this is how PXG clubs are mean, not sure I understand your point. No one thought they were blades.
AllanB
Sep 17, 2017 at 12:01 pm
Both clubs have the word “forged” stamped on them which would lead you to believe they are 100% forged. Cast SS is cheap and the thin so-called ‘forged’ face plate is cheap too.
So why the high prices for these cheap to manufacture clubs? It’s a scam.
SoloGolfer
Sep 20, 2017 at 6:04 pm
Fake fake fake fake (forged)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R48KMbOOR-A
MN
Sep 24, 2017 at 1:20 am
Lol, it does say forged. But it didn’t say 100% forged, so that doesn’t mean its not. Get over it.
SG
Sep 25, 2017 at 2:11 am
So you just believe whatever the OEMs tell you about their cooked up products…. because you love the status of owning OEM clubs.
People like you are the proverbial “a sucker born every minute”.
Thomas A
Sep 29, 2017 at 9:13 am
You would believe that if you believed everything you read. Seems like in the specs they call out the manufacturing process and materials, so they’re not hiding anything. It’d probably blow your mind if I told you that the pumpkin in pumpkin pie is actually squash. Semantics.
Gbx
Sep 16, 2017 at 6:00 pm
The day I wanted to buy pxg clubs was the day I realized I must be having a midlife crisis.
Nick
Sep 18, 2017 at 2:15 am
…. or you wanted skrews in your head …..!
Looks like a point for PXG
Sep 21, 2017 at 11:17 pm
Whether other OEM’s have tried in the past, it’s working for PXG now. Ironically “the biggest name in golf” made an attempt to make a very similar club to satisfy those with PXG price issues. TMAG hould have tried to build something better, but I guess all Ping engineers are happy at PXG. They will be on the sale rack just like the rest of TMAG’s equipment.
John Agel
Sep 16, 2017 at 2:20 pm
This is ridiculous absolutely ridiculous. This is not new technology in any way shape or form and actually I believe it was Tailor-Made in the 90s with their Burner series that first came out with cavity clubs that were foam filled this is… just childishness.
Jimmy O
Sep 16, 2017 at 1:38 pm
Patent trolls might have a field day with this. Nickent had the ARC blades about a decade ago and were filled with elastomer. If they had a patent, the material used might not have been limited to just elastomer. Yonex had their a blade irons filled as well… Should be an interesting few years of suits and counter suits.
Freddie
Sep 16, 2017 at 1:27 pm
If TM has prior art work, or has produced a club similar prior to the PXG patent, they are good to go. Public disclosure trumps a patent. In other words if you patent something that has already been done, your patent is useless.
Jacked_Loft
Sep 16, 2017 at 4:14 am
TM probably knew that this was going to happen when they first started working on the 790s on the drawing board. I’m sure that their legal beagles did the due diligence before the release and know that PXG hasn’t a chance in hell to sue them.
allanaj
Sep 15, 2017 at 8:45 pm
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Okay, now tell us if the TM P-790 and PXG 0311 irons are FULLY forged, or are they only face-plate forged and the rest of the body is a SS casting with the parts welded together.
dcorun
Sep 15, 2017 at 8:19 pm
I like my 2017 M2 driver but, not a total TM club fan. Should be fun watching this for awhile before something else comes along to distract us. 🙂
peter collins
Sep 15, 2017 at 11:59 am
PXG will win the day pay up TM
BigBoy
Sep 15, 2017 at 9:59 am
They’re both sh*t clubs.
Engineer Bob
Sep 17, 2017 at 2:31 am
Fake forged too.
BigBoy
Sep 17, 2017 at 5:20 am
Exactly. Wannabe clubs.
AllanB
Sep 17, 2017 at 12:03 pm
Stupid buyers are easily scammed by these cheap clubs.
Kevin
Sep 15, 2017 at 9:46 am
In baseball terms, they would both be considered cheaters for “juicing the bats”
Tblack
Sep 15, 2017 at 9:23 am
I have had some dealings with PXG they are very arrogant, hope TM Clobbers them
Golfr42 PA
Sep 15, 2017 at 9:05 am
End of the day, how it will play out is that TM has the attorneys on payroll and can tie it up in litigation so long that BOTH companies will have moved on to the new “bigger and better” (or should I say “longer and more forgey feeling”) thing three times before PXG decides they can’t afford to pursue it further. Another possible outcome is that TM pays PXG enough to get them to STFU and drop the suit.
Either way you look at it, and if you are a fan of either, both or none of those companies, this should generate enough butt hurt on the forums to keep those of us who really don’t give a damn some entertainment watching folks self-destruct over it. Still better entertainment than the left vs right political vomit that’s been polluting the forums and social media recently.
Jimmy Ray
Sep 15, 2017 at 8:46 am
Am I the only one horrified that someone cut a $300 iron in half just for a money shot? I could have sold that baby on eBay!
Golfr42 PA
Sep 15, 2017 at 9:07 am
More than likely it was a QC reject that was butchered on its way to the scrap heap
Judge mental
Sep 15, 2017 at 8:15 am
PXG reinvent the wheel ,so watch out everyone !!!!!!
Jack Nash
Sep 15, 2017 at 8:14 am
Taylormade getting sued? Again? That’s why they bought out Adams. Hmmm slot technology. Then again, if we’re going for Style points I would imagine Mizuno and Titleist would have a beef against both these companies.
Spitfisher
Sep 15, 2017 at 8:14 am
Looking at the picture at the top of article, looks like the iron on the right has better quality control…..don’t tell Bob he’ll sue his own manufacturing
Fredo
Sep 15, 2017 at 10:04 am
Hey Spit, the club on the right is PXG haha.
https://www.pxg.com/en-us/clubs/irons
jack
Sep 15, 2017 at 3:05 am
Sticking to the subject, PXG has numerous patents including the injection of a polymer into the cavity of the club.
http://patents.justia.com/assignee/parsons-xtreme-golf-llc
Fredo
Sep 15, 2017 at 10:06 am
BOOM!!!
Mike
Sep 14, 2017 at 8:40 pm
Bob needs the money to continue to sponsor Paige Spirinac.
Mat
Sep 15, 2017 at 2:24 am
/thread
Jack Nash
Sep 15, 2017 at 8:17 am
Danica is coming back. This time with a set of clubs.
AllanA
Sep 14, 2017 at 8:28 pm
I suspect TM and PXG have colluded with these publicity law suits to suck in the geerhead market to look at their clubs and create a desire to choose sides and form TM and PXG teams …. at exorbitant prices to join the teams and own cheap cast steel clubs with a thin ‘forged’ face-plate. Ya think?!!
Bert
Sep 14, 2017 at 6:22 pm
Better sue Yonex as well – what a joke.
BO
Sep 14, 2017 at 5:21 pm
I sue you
You sue me
Let’s all just sue
That fella behind the tree !!!
Blake
Sep 14, 2017 at 4:28 pm
Thats rich coming from the guy who stole PING employees then created PING clubs with screws on the back.
Chris B
Sep 14, 2017 at 11:07 am
I can’t see how they have a case, hollow irons have been around before and most will have had some hot melt put in at some stage. Foam is very different to a thermoplastic material.
They all copy each other anyway.
Jose Pro Se
Sep 14, 2017 at 7:45 am
TM will be fine. Parsons is about to get a very expensive lesson – just b/c you get a patent doesn’t mean you have an enforceable patent.
Who wins? TM and PXG ATTORNEYS
Mike Honcho
Sep 14, 2017 at 7:38 am
PXG. Pompous Xtreme Golf. Get over yourself Bob!
Anthony Rowe
Sep 14, 2017 at 1:17 am
At the end of the where does it all end , most big brands , drivers have the same adjustable weights and shafts, and the other is people’s preferences and budget, PXG over $3000 for just a set of irons, so which clown at PXG can possibly be thinking about the market of golfer they are making for, at least taylormade, who is now probably the biggest supporter of golf, with products that a real golfer can afford, PXG want to tread lightly after alot of there staff are ex PING employees, PING might be next to sue PXG for copyrights?
LLC
Sep 14, 2017 at 1:04 am
For TM:
“…“SpeedFoam.” It supports the thin, forged clubs faces used in the (P-790) irons…”
And for PXG:
“…The forged (0311) club heads are filled with a TPE (thermoplastic elastomer) material…”
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Thank you GolfWRX Staff for admitting that the PXG is fully forged and the TM is only face-forged ….. or is it?
Bert
Sep 14, 2017 at 6:27 pm
How would you forge a hollow club head? I thought forging was a stamping process from a solid piece of metal and cast was poured melted metal. Not sure how you could stamp a heated metal ingot into a hollow body. My bet is neither are really a forged club.
AllanA
Sep 14, 2017 at 8:23 pm
I suspect only the face-plates are forged and the rest of the club is cast SS with the forged face welded to the cast body.
So where does the ‘forged feel’ come from; only from the face-plate or the entire body and in particular the hosel which transmits the impact feel to the shaft?
I recall a blind test done with forged and cast steel clubs and most of the regular golfers couldn’t tell the difference on center hits. Perhaps forged heads help muffle the off-center hit shock.
And perhaps the ‘feel’ difference only emerges in high speed pro swings where the forged hosel changes the feel sensation.
Perhaps the myth of ‘forged’ is being exploited by TM and PXG…. and the gullible geerheads just imagine the feel differences. Of course OEMs can charge outlandish prices for clubs with fake forged lettering on the body.
Perhaps it’s all a scam……….
Chris
Sep 15, 2017 at 2:05 pm
2-piece forged. Then welded together I guess, it forged a second time with the polymer sandwiched in.
allanaj
Sep 15, 2017 at 8:47 pm
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Stop guessing and ask GolfWRX to investigate and inform us.
DaveT
Sep 13, 2017 at 10:44 pm
A couple of comments on the patent and legal issue, not the technology itself:
(1) Since I started out as an engineer in 1962, the patent process has changed enormously. In order to handle the huge crush of applications in more recent years, as well as speed the issuance of a patent, the examiner does a lot less critical examination of the application. They (rightly IMHO) issue patents too easily, and let litigation decide which are important enough to investigate in detail. So the IPR request from TaylorMade is entirely appropriate, and it may invalidate the hollow, foam-filled part of PXG’s claim. And TM was doing screw weights and placement before almost anybody, IIRC. So only the specific configuration of PXG’s screws is likely to be patentable. I imagine that is not infringed by TM.
(2) The really critical thing is not whether the patent is deemed valid or not; it is the injunction. The suit itself will take years to get to a decision. By then both companies will have different products and the decision will be moot. So the big thing commercially is whether or not the court will let TM sell their product while we wait for an answer. Yes? TM won, period. No? PXG won, period. The outcome of the trial itself doesn’t really matter.
Mark Walgren
Sep 13, 2017 at 10:28 pm
PXG lol… what a joke.
Dat
Sep 13, 2017 at 8:55 pm
PXG is a JOKE!
Brian
Sep 13, 2017 at 7:32 pm
Lol. PXG just sucks.
tlmck
Sep 13, 2017 at 7:30 pm
TM just needs to tie this up in court for 6 months or so. By that time they will be releasing their new iron offerings that won’t sell either.
Anthony
Sep 14, 2017 at 1:06 am
6 months? have they changed their release times? More like 3-4 months lol…
Tim
Sep 14, 2017 at 7:14 pm
Oh look more release frequency jokes…
LITM
Sep 13, 2017 at 7:00 pm
You idiots don’t know much about patents
Allen Rawlins
Sep 13, 2017 at 4:03 pm
Back in the mid 90’s taylormade made an iron that had in the hollowed out cavity….. FOAM!!!!! Makes you wonder who is infringing on who??!!
Historian
Sep 13, 2017 at 9:05 pm
EXACTLY.
allanaj
Sep 15, 2017 at 8:50 pm
And the original TM Pittsburgh Persimmon hollow steel drivers were filled with foam… but only to support the sole, crown and face for the welding of the parts.
Rich
Sep 13, 2017 at 3:31 pm
This takes it back to the Macgregor hollow back V foil irons and the old Wilson Staff Relex irons of many years ago. Heck tell us some Mfgs that have copied from a previous design !!!
Historian
Sep 13, 2017 at 9:07 pm
The Wilson Reflex iron is a great example of the slot in the sole technology. I’m not sure how Wilson can’t claim the technology – they had it in the late 1970’s. Has the patent expired?
JThunder
Sep 14, 2017 at 4:18 am
Design patents last 14 years in the US.
Any patent PXG holds would have to be very specific to their design, since nothing they’re doing in general is new; forged. hollow, gunk-filled, weights…
Bob Parsons clearly just has too much money and needs to find ways to spend it. A team of lawyers would drive 99% of the population into bankruptcy, but won’t even dent Bob’s ludicrous cash pile.
UnclePhil
Sep 13, 2017 at 3:31 pm
@Bishop!! Well played, love that comment!
OX
Sep 13, 2017 at 3:03 pm
Will TM counter-sue and ask for costs? Then PXG drops their suit and TM will withdraw claim for costs. Then there will an ad campaign between PXG 0311 and TM P-790 ….. and the winner will be …… BOTH … ( and the club owning golfers will lose because they fell for the scam).
Bob Jacobs
Sep 13, 2017 at 1:40 pm
This is like saying as a club maker that I will be suing every other club maker because they have irons made of metal, same as I do. Silly and p.s., I bought a set of PXGs and ZERO feel off the face.
alan p
Sep 13, 2017 at 1:08 pm
now i know why these performed so well in the member testing.
Scott
Sep 13, 2017 at 12:37 pm
Taylor made had foam filled irons in the 1990s first well before pxg was even a pipe dream. Parsons will lose
Boss
Sep 13, 2017 at 1:48 pm
Exactly.
Boss
Sep 13, 2017 at 12:15 pm
I’m going to sue PXG for making golf clubs that look like other golf clubs but are far too expensive and don’t perform as advertised!
john
Sep 13, 2017 at 11:57 pm
I have a set of 0311t’s and they perform as advertised. High quality irons that came with exactly the right lofts and lie angles as expected from a proper manufacturer (without every second club having tip weights, hey titleist). Taylormades I had before the 4 iron and 5 iron had the same loft. The only part advertised that you don’t agree with is the price. Should get a better job.
Willgolf
Sep 14, 2017 at 7:30 am
What do you mean by second clubs having tip weights?
Charlie
Sep 14, 2017 at 5:41 pm
Tip weights put into the hollow part of the shaft at the bottom where the head is connected…they add head weight so that you can get the desirable swing weight. With shafts that taper in length (4 iron 38.5″, half inch increments down to 35.25″ in wedges), you have to have corrasponding head weights to match the shaft length to get the clubs at the same swing weight. So, an example (though not completely accurate) would be because 4 iron is 38.5″ in length, the head weight needs to be a few grams lighter than the 5 iron headweight, which will be put into a 38″ shaft. If they head weights aren’t right you need to compensate by tip weighting the shafts (or adding lead tape) to get the appropriate swing weight. It doesn’t really make any difference but some people say it’s a testament to the quality and attention to detail.
craig
Sep 15, 2017 at 9:11 am
Every major OEM uses the tip weight system.
I have pulled apart irons, hybrids, fairways, wedges, putters and drivers from all OEM,s and they all have some sort of tip weighting system.
Because all clubheads, grips, shafts have tollerances up to 5-10 grams each then this practice is going to be the norm. If you have never pulled apart a golf club then you will never know.
Chris
Sep 15, 2017 at 2:16 pm
Not so for Miura, Epon, Vega, PXG. In general, the more high end JDM stuff never feature tip weights.
Bob Pegram
Sep 15, 2017 at 4:30 pm
Custom clubmakers will weight their heads and use the ones that get the right swingweight without added weights. They will also check lofts and lies, and adjust where necessary to get correct specs. That is the big adbantage of buying clubs from a custom clubmaker. They take the time to do it right.
Bishop
Sep 13, 2017 at 12:12 pm
So, you’re saying that if I buy the 790’s now, I’m getting the 0311 irons for half price???
rymail00
Sep 13, 2017 at 10:10 pm
I ACCIDENTLY HIT REPORT COMMENT INSTEAD OF REPLY, THAT WAS AN ACCIDENT!!!!!
HAHAHAHA, well said Bishop. I saw and hit the demo 7 iron at DSG. The pics on here make them look quite a bit bigger and more driver iron-ish. Definitely a great shape and size, nowhere near as big as I as expecting. Felt pretty good too, I preffered my AP2 for feel but could get used to them easily.